Peter Robinson：

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But you're saying your bent of mind was almost more theoretical than a practice?

但是你是说，你的思想转变几乎更偏向理论，而非实践？

Charles Koch：

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Yes, it was, yeah, serious, and Howard Gardner's multiple intelligence is what he calls logical mathematical intelligence

是的，过去是的，霍华德·加德纳的多元智能就是他所说的逻辑数学智能，

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and he had, I didn't know Howard Gardner then at that time, but that I later learned that that's the particular aptitude I had.

他有，我当时不认识霍华德·加德纳，后来我才知道那是我特有的天赋。

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So in the process I learned that it's an ordered universe that the physical world is ordered and governed by certain principles.

在这个过程中，我了解到宇宙是有序的，物理世界是按照一定的原则排列和支配的。

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So I said to myself, well if I'm gonna be successful in the physical world, that is making technical innovations and learning how things work,

所以我对自己说，如果我想在物质世界取得成功，就得进行技术革新，学习事物是如何运作的，

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I've got to understand the philosophy, science and scientific method

我就必须理解哲学、科学和科学方法。

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so after I got out of MIT, that's, that was my fascination,

离开麻省理工学院之后，阅读让我着迷，

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I was reading everything I could on starting an Aristotle, DeCarl, Popper, Kun, Palani, Einstein, Newton.

我读了所有我能找到的书，开始研究亚里士多德、笛卡尔、波珀、昆、普兰尼、爱因斯坦、牛顿。

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I mean that that was my reading

我的意思是，这就是我的阅读。

Peter Robinson：

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And at this time, you're working back east for Arthur D. Little in accounting and consulting.

当时，你在理特管理顾问公司工作，主要做会计和咨询。

Charles Koch：

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Arthur D. Little was back then, was one of the leading full-range consulting companies.

理特管理顾问公司当时是一家世界领先的全方位的咨询公司。

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And I started in product development, and then I got to move over to process development.

我刚开始做产品开发，然后做流程开发。

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An interesting project we had， one client we had was the chemical core,

我们有一个有趣的项目，我们的客户采用化学核心，

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and they had this idea that they would make aerosol auto bombs out of marijuana derivatives.

他们想出这样一个主意：他们要用大麻衍生物制造喷雾炸弹。

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And so I helped design the plant to make this marijuana derivative that has 500 times the potency of regular marijuana,

我帮助他设计了一个工厂来生产这种大麻衍生物，其药效是普通大麻的500倍，

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and the idea was to put it in a bomb, and then rather with a hostile population, rather than go have to kill a bunch of people,

然后把它放进炸弹里，不是用于对付别人，不是用于杀人，

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you drop these marijuana aerosol bombs on them, and they will all be giggling and happy,

你把这些大麻烟雾弹扔到他们身上, 他们会笑得很开心，

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and you could come lock them up, and everybody would would be safe and peaceful,

你可以把他们锁起来，这样每个人都会很安全，

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that's I apologized, I misfit some of the taxpayers hard-earned money in that one

抱歉，我把一些纳税人辛苦赚来的钱用在这样的事情上。

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but anyway and then

但不管怎样

Peter Robinson：

 I'm just what I'm curious about is you're in the, you leave MIT and you get a practical job,

，我只是好奇，你离开麻省理工学院之后找到了一份实用的工作。

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but your reading is all really quite.

但是你在阅读方面做得真的很不错。

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In other words, if I didn't know you were working at Arthur D little

换句话说，如果我不知道你在理特管理顾问公司工作，

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if I just hear you talk about your intellectual interest, the reading you're doing,

如果我听到你谈论你的知识兴趣，你正在阅读的书，

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I say, oh this is somebody who's working to become a professional academic,

我会说，哦，这个人可能在努力成为专业学者。

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This is a professor in the naked, I would not have predicted that you'd go back to Wichita and take over the company.

这是一位教授，我想不到你会回到威奇塔接管你父亲的公司。

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I'd have predicted that you to put yourself up in for a philosophy department, philosophy of science, and right now you'd be teaching, you'd be teaching at MIT.

我可能预测你会培养自己哲学系、科学哲学方面的知识，现在你可能会教书，你可能会在麻省理工学院教书。

Charles Koch：

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Well that's a matter of fact, that was my plan, I was, first of all, I was thinking I'd get a PhD in math,

事实上，这是我的计划，首先，我想攻读数学博士学位。

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and then I found out that, as smart as I thought, I was good at math, that when it got to really abstract math, it was beyond me.

后来我发现，尽管我在数学上很有天赋，但是当遇到真正抽象数学的时候，我还是无法理解，

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Like Norbert Wiener who was a developer of cybernetics was teaching man, and only the very brightest math students would go to his class.

诺伯特·维纳是控制论的开发者，只有数学方面最聪明的学生才会去听他的课。

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No one had any idea what he was talking about,

没有人知道他在说什么，

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so he would give everybody an A,

所以他会给每个人A，

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because he couldn't distinguish, because they were all flunking his class and they were all the best students.

因为他无法区分他们，因为他们都挂了他的课，他们都是最好的学生。

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So I knew I couldn't go there, so then I thought, well I'll get a doctor in chemical engineering,

我知道我不能去那里听课，所以我想攻读化学工程博士学位，

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and I went to one of my favorite professors, and I said, “well what about this?”

我找到我最喜欢的一个教授，我说：嗯，我该怎么办？

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He said, it depends on what you want to do, if you want to teach or be researcher

他说，这取决于你想做什么，如果你想教书或研究，可以攻读，

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yeah, but just keep in mind we will make your life miserable,

是的，但你要记住，我们会让你的生活很悲惨。

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We'll have you do all our dirty jobs, make us look better, advance our careers and you'll be kind of our slave,

我们会让你干所有脏活，让我们看起来更好，推进我们的职业生涯，你会成为我们的奴隶，

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so if that's what you want to do, you need to go through that,

如果这就是你想要做的，你可以经历一番,

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if you want to go in business, get the hell out of here as quickly as you can.

如果你想做生意，就赶紧离开这里吧。

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So I went off and thought about it and I said, well I think probably logic and math will be helpful in business as well,

所以我离开了，思考了一下，我说，嗯， 我认为逻辑和数学对商业也有帮助。

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and that sounds like a lot more fun,

这听起来有点意思，

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So I got this job at Arthur D little,

因此我找到了理特管理顾问公司的这份工作，

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and then I said I started in product development, then I did process development,

然后我说，我开始做产品开发，然后做流程开发，

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and then I got over in management services and great learning experiences,

在管理服务方面获得了很好的学习经验，

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because we got to do consulting for Standard Oil New Jersey, now Exxon DuPont, Coppers, Stanley Works, all these sizeable companies that here.

因为我们要为一些大公司提供咨询，例如新泽西标准石油、埃克森、杜邦公司、史丹利公司等。

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I was like 24, 25， and I'd go to make presentations to senior management.

我当时二十四五岁，我会为高级管理人员做报告。

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So talk about learning English, I had to learn English to do this

提到学习英语，我不得不学习英语，我要学习英语来做这件事。

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So it was a great learning experience,

这是一次很好的学习经历，

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and then after I'd been there about two years,

在我在那里呆了两年之后，

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my father calls me and wanted me to come back to work with him

我父亲打电话给我，希望我能回来和他一起工作。

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and I turned him down, because I was learning a lot, and I had no idea of going back

我拒绝了他，因为我学到了很多东西，我还不想回去。